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Friendly Brilliant's avatar

Another quote: "A domestic violence shelter is no place for a child." This was from a judge who gave a child back to a violent batterer after the mother, beaten badly, went with her daughter to a domestic violence shelter.

We have some terrible judges in OC. There is one family law judge, whose courtroom is in Santa Ana, who refuses to let moms see their children at all-- even on Zoom --after theri husbands accuse them of being bad wives. That same judge is also pushing transgender operations on children. One judge in Bakersfield allowed a convicted rapist dad to force elective plastic surgery on his six year old daughter's nose (which looked fine before) over the mother's objections. That judge saw no problem with the little girl living with a convicted child rapist who had also convicted drug dealers living in the house. Women are now third class citizens and children are are victims of terrible injustices that don't stop.

Recently in a CLA discussion, I pointed out the extreme misogyny taking place in the courtrooms and the two former judges on the panel insisted that misogyny did not happen in the courts.

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Michelle's avatar

The villany oozing out of these creatures is repulsive. #EverydayEvil

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Natalie's avatar

Judge Wallace, “While it is clear that you were an exemplary mother, the children’s father has not participated in their lives up to this point, so I am granting him custody of the youngest two children of the five in order to give him a chance to try being a father.”

The children were ages 13,14,15,16, and 17 at the time. My youngest 2 children were taken by force as they screamed and begged and cried.

They didn’t see me or their siblings for 10 months.

While in his “care” my daughter cut her wrists and was raped ending up in a psychiatric hospital. My son was hospitalized for being septic after his appendix ruptured and he received no care for 5 days. Social services found he was severely malnourished. They ran away and I was arrested.

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Ann Bouchard's avatar

Since when is bringing up children and experiment?

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Michelle's avatar

The judge made the very reason the "father" should not have been given any of the children for visits - his absence - and decided to give the "father" the two youngest and most vulnerable.

Then the cops, the most misoggang on the planet next to govt and courts, decide to arrest the safe parent. Typical.

And they nearly always say something to make it seem like they've given it careful thought and/or have "empathy" with the mother in their vile gaslighting.

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Michelle's avatar

The prevalence of preverted judges is astounding! It's definitely a just us "oldboy/handmaid" club of epstein-like minds, isn't it?

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Amanda's avatar

Judge Lee Peterson in Massachusetts looked at Mother and said “First you say little boys are sexually abusing the child and now you say it’s Father” when the child had an STI and it was the Father trying to blame it on little boys. The Judge eventually ordered supervised visits where the child rapist took the child into a bathroom at a supervised visitation center and abused her again. The child is still stuck in the system 8 years and counting and being threatened with reunification. The case has been bounced around to 8 different judges and the child just waits to age out of the system.

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Ann Bouchard's avatar

Tell the judges to read the late Psychoanalyst Alice Miller's books.

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Michelle's avatar

Thank you for highlighting this author.

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Joyce Booth's avatar

Family court judges do not rule in a child's best interests. They know what they're doing. Their opinion is all that matters. Patriarchy dominates family court. Women are powerless to protect their children. Family court must end.

I needed to go into a domestic violence shelter. I would not go into the shelter unless I could take my son. I had to wait in a crisis center for a room to become available. I went in when the shelter had a baseball room ready for him. The judge would not allow me to take my son with me. I was told the judge said a domestic violence shelter is no place for a child.

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Jennifer's avatar

Judicial immunity needs to be removed in cases of physical or sexual harm to the children.

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The Womens Coalition's avatar

But in most cases, family court judges are the ones who get to ultimately say whether abuse occurred or not and most often they say the mother and/or child is lying, especially in sexual abuse cases. They rarely make an official finding of physical or sexual abuse by the father but often of emotional abuse (alienation) by the mother. Cases where there are judicial quotes admitting abuse on the record and then dismissing it are rare. They are usually smarter than that.

And unfortunately, there is no way to remove judicial immunity.

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Ann Bouchard's avatar

The late Psychoanalyst Alice Miller said to "believe the children". Maybe the judges should read her books

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Doc Blue's avatar

Judges in family law courts WORLDWIDE require NO MORE education in a thing.

Their ONLY purpose within custody cases POST - separation IS BY D E S I G N:

SWITCH custody TO the SPERM SOURCE. NO MATTER W H A T.

cuz THUS: " The CHIEF Institution OF the PATRIARCHY .IS. ... ... The FAMILY " =

LONG and LONG known BY ... ... ALL in re SYSTEMIC S E X I S M: https://www.womenscoalitioninternational.org / its "Patriarchy's chief institution is the family." Dr Kate Millett, Sexual Politics

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Jennifer's avatar

So the unfortunate structure would have to be something like:

children would have a non-SOL right to bring the case once they hit 18 (in the case of CSA or violence).

In the event a child is unalived, the child’s other parent who lost placement can bring the case against the judge.

It would have to be a jury situation. It would have to be a criminal case, not civil. The jury would look at what evidence was available for the judge to look at (not what the judge actually looked at or admitted). And if, from the available evidence, the judge could have reasonably made a safer placement, the judge can be charged with anything ranging from collusion/conspiracy, manslaughter, etc.

While this doesn’t immediately save children on its face…. Judges are human too. And as soon as their decision can mean decades in the clink, they’re going to forget all these convoluted theories and billable-driving quibbles, and are going to make the safest, cleanest, most fact based decision available- which will usually be the parent without criminal charges for violence or third party reports of CSA.

And where there really was zero way for the judge to predict the outcome from the available evidence, the judge walks free.

And where critical evidence was available, but either attorney failed to provide it, the attorneys can be charged as well.

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Doc Blue's avatar

" Your child would be better off if you die

than if you separate from the father. " 06 June y1988, and AFTER = Dr Legion TRUE.

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Victoria Scot's avatar

I actually felt sick reading this. It’s like living in a parallel universe. Those poor mothers and children.

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Lynn Calcaterra's avatar

This is horrible on so many levels. This is not the fair and just system that I once knew.

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Michelle's avatar

It never was. Those men who whine about unfair treatment and claim women are unfairly prioritized in the court system should be sued for their widespread disinformation and gaslighting.

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Penny Allen's avatar

I am just about to publish my latest piece on Blue Suburban Skies, Substack. It is in my series, Aspects of the Family Courts, and is called, The Judgehttps://open.substack.com/pub/pennyallen/p/glitz-and-glamour-in-the-family-court?r=1gw0to&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

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Lynn Stroud's avatar

Said by judges my cases in separate counties in Texas:

“At least he said he could better.” - after my ex gave a half-ass apology after years of stalking, harassing, gaslighting, emotionally abusing me and my child, failing to pay the child’s medical expenses, and manipulating the child’s psychiatrist.

“Well, he has a PhD and makes $____ annually, he must be responsible, right?!?” — after he tested positive for cocaine 3 times, and never cared for the child, plus showed up an hour and a half late to the hearing. Btw, the degree? Not real. No doctorate.

I could go on and on.

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Jennifer C.'s avatar

I am literally physically sickened at how utterly Repulsive & EVIL this is...

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Michelle's avatar

I agree with the contention that these trials need to be by jury. And on camera - with victims behind screens, or participating from another room for comfort and protection. I see US court cam vids fairly often. Being smart enough to pass a test doesn't make someone a decent person.

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Sharon Siba's avatar

I'm more than a little shocked to learn the judicial system in the UK is as paternalistic and misogynistic as it is in the United States. I'm Canadian. If unfairness to women and children on this scale is common in divorces where there are custody challenges by both parents I'm unaware of it. It seems in Canada reports about abuse of any kind are taken very seriously by judges. The abusive parent rarely gets custody of children no matter who the abuser is. But that is certainly not the cases in American courtrooms. It seems Americans are so fastidious about children having fathers in their lives that they're willing to turn blind eyes and deaf ears upon the abuses mothers and even the children report. I know this from following a number of different women's groups that were established for that very reason. The resulting psychological harm to the children can't be overstated. Nor can the number of deaths of children taken from their loving mothers and given to abusive fathers be overstated. This would not happen without judges who themselves hate women and can't remain impartial.

In the UK are any psychologists used by the court to determine if spousal abuse and/or child abuse has occurred especially in cases where abuse allegations are an important reason for the breakup and the custody hearings? If psychologist findings from sessions with both parents and their children are the reports used by judges to determine the custody outcome? The reason I ask is because women in the USA have reported cases where a psychologist frequently used by the courts has actually falsified legal documents submitted to judges denying any abuse occurred by the husband/father and suggesting the mother is the problem. Those women lost custodial rights to their children, having only occasional short visitation rights. In cases even if mother was awarded the kids she was forced to comply with visitation rights or shared custody even in the worst abuse cases. There's now a class action lawsuit against one psychologist who falsified legal document and submitted them in custody cases that resulted in horrors for the children.

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Doc Blue's avatar

PLEASE, PLEASE K N O W these, Women =

https://womenscoalition.substack.com/s/rabbit-holes-of-the-post-separation

NO judges. USE O N L Y JURIES of mothers' peers for deciding custody after separation.

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Michelle's avatar

Canada is very patriarchal. A living nightmare of gov/cop/courts who do nothing for females and children. Look at who appoints the judges.

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